The Internet’s Slamming Marvel After That Black Widow Trailer

The Internet’s Slamming Marvel After That Black Widow Trailer


Marvel Studios has done it again… stoked
the ire of some fans on the internet, that is. While reactions to the first trailer for the
upcoming Black Widow were largely positive, a certain subset of fans took issue with what
they perceived as the fat-shaming of the Red Guardian, portrayed by Stranger Things’ David
Harbour. The Guardian, real name Alexei Shostkov, appears
at a couple of different moments in the trailer. Russia’s answer to Captain America is portrayed
as being perhaps a decade or two past his prime, and suffice to say that Harbour — never
the trimmest of actors — didn’t exactly get jacked for the role. This is obviously by design, as we first see
Shostakov flexing his admittedly considerable muscles in a mirror, then attempting to squeeze
into his old suit. He does, then proudly announces to his “family” — Scarlett Johansson’s Natasha
Romanoff , Florence Pugh’s Yelena Belova, and Rachel Weisz’s Melina Vostokoff — that
it still fits. “Yeah! Still fits.” That’s when Vostokoff says: “You got fat.” However, in the spot’s very next scene, we
see that the Guardian’s added heft doesn’t seem to be slowing him down much, as he single-handedly
takes on the villainous Taskmaster. The response from some fans online was highly
reminiscent of the “Fat Thor” controversy after the release of Avengers: Endgame. Many
were incredulous that Marvel appeared not to have learned anything from said controversy,
including Twitter user @The_GothDaddy, who wrote: “The Black Widow trailer looks pretty good
I’d like it more if Marvel learned their lesson with Thor and maybe considered leaving out
yet… A n o t h e r… Dig at fat people.” User @Artists_Al agreed, writing: “So I watched the Black Widow trailer. Is
Marvel just gonna do wall to wall fatphobic jokes in all their movies now or….? Yeah
that’s gonna be a no from me.” There were a wealth of similar tweets to be
found in the trailer’s immediate wake, and while everybody is obviously entitled to their
opinion, ours is that — as with the Endgame controversy — the approach to Harbour’s
character is being wildly misinterpreted. User @MediocreJedi contributed another critical
tweet that touched on our reasoning: “Imma watch the hell out of #BlackWidow but
did Marvel learn ANYTHING from their Endgame Thor fat joke backlash? Most women I know
find David Harbour hot. So, another fat joke? Signed, guy who can barely fit into his 21-year-old
dress uniform but can still kick ass.” While one could certainly make the argument
that Marvel didn’t exactly think through the potential ramifications before committing
to their portrayal of Red Guardian, we submit that those accusing the studio of fatphobia
would do well to take a look at the broader context of the spot. Sure, the fact that Shostakov
is old and out of shape, squeezing into his superhero costume only for his “family” to
poke good-natured fun at him, is played for a laugh. Does this make the Red Guardian a
buffoon, a punchline, like some in the Twitterverse are asserting? Respectfully, we don’t agree that it does.
Again, in the very next scene, we see the Guardian in all his overweight glory engaging
one-on-one with one of the deadliest villains in the Marvel universe — and everything
about his appearance in this sequence, regardless of how many extra pounds he may be packing,
screams “utter badass.” Those raking Marvel over the coals on Twitter
obviously took away something different, and that’s unfortunate — but we certainly didn’t
see Marvel encouraging audiences to point and laugh at the hapless fat guy. What we
saw was much more along the lines of, “Hey, Alexei may be past his prime; he has to struggle
to get into his old suit, and his family ribs him about it. He may not have the body of
Captain America, but he can damn sure throw down like him.” To us, this is the exact opposite of fat-shaming,
and we took a similar position in defense of Fat Thor — AKA “Bro Thor.” Yes, it was
a shock to the system to see the God of Thunder having packed on the pounds, swilling beer
and playing video games, and Chris Hemsworth leaned into the comedic aspects of his first
onscreen appearance in that state. Yes, Tony Stark made fun of him; Stark made fun of everybody,
every chance he got. But Thor’s extra pounds, and the profound
depression of which they were a symptom, were not treated as a joke. In contrast, Odinson’s
descent into depression in the wake of his failure to stop Thanos in Avengers: Infinity
War was treated with a great deal of sensitivity, and the entire arc was one which we would
never have expected for the character. With Red Guardian and Bro Thor alike, Marvel
seems to be pretty darn consistent in its message, which is a timeless one: don’t judge
a book by its cover. You might be old, you might be chubby, you might be depressed; you
can be any or all of these things, and you can still be a hero. That is a message anyone
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100 thoughts on “The Internet’s Slamming Marvel After That Black Widow Trailer

  1. The same few people criticize when Marvel doesnt change a blond white character thats been blond and white for 45yrs to an Asian (Iron Fist) to fulfill some SJW need….and ironically having no clue that wanting IF to be Asian would be as Stereotypical as it gets. The people that say they arent going to watch never did in the first place. Too busy watching ghostbuster remakes w Melissa McArthy i guess.

  2. Go on a diet you whiney fat fucks! No one wants to hear you piss and moan about a problem that you created. Dont give that glandular shit either. And I'm overweight. I know I am, I wish I wasnt but I also realize I dont feel like changing my lifestyle. I certainly dont get offended when I see or hear someone being referred to as fat. Jesus fucking christ find something to put your energy into….like diet and exercise.

  3. DAMN STRAIGHT, They can't or choose NOT to see the TRUE picture, I'm a chubby guy & have been all my life to date, never been able to fit in with muscular, slim or agile looking guy's so I was the frumpy looking guy in the back of the room taking the mick out of myself for other's, kinda like Alan from The Hangover, but after Bro-Thor & now Red Guardian, I'm seeing MORE nerds open up & cosplay, talk positive & find a connection to these characters & I honestly felt a connection to Bro-Thor, this ending message is so True I actually applauded & shouted Damn Straight

  4. as a fat person like fat thor and red guardian and saying someone is fat after you haven't seen them for a while is not fat shaming its the truth fat is not the same as the N.word.

  5. I grew up on Marvel comics. I know who Red Guardian is. I know who Taskmaster is. And based upon that. I'm going to predict that Taskmaster is going to kill Red Guardian at the end of that fight. Red Guardian ain't got nothing that Taskmaster can't take and dish out. The fact that RG is out of shape in this version only works against him. That's not fat-shaming. That's just logically sound.

  6. God Dammit Im So Fucking Terrible of All the Unnecessary OUTRAGE!!!!
    WHO GIVES AF
    FAT PEOPLE DO EXIST!!!
    MEN SOME MORE THEN OTHERS GAIN WEIGHT AS THEY AGE.
    GTFOH with all the fucking tears!!!

  7. Who cares about a fat red Cap. More importantly WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH TASKMASTER!? Might as well be Dirt Bike man! Seriously wtf

  8. wooo wooo wooo Just hold on one dam minute!!! stop making fake news !!! Marvel Has done nothing wrong!! if a few idiot got upset .. that ther problem … shame on you Looper for making such acusation !!!

  9. It's not fat shaming.. calm the fuck down ,it's jokes. This is the problem ,such a sensitive society..you skinny shame ppl as well .. not everything is to bash ppl

  10. Fat Thor didn't make as much sense. This guy is way past his prime, Thor was depressed but he wouldn't have put on weight like that.
    However everyone whining about fat jokes r just soft. Get over it. Being fat isn't good for u

  11. I agree with you on the Red Gaurdian. But I thought that fat Thor was way overplayed. I think they could have made him fat OR gave him ptsd, but I thought the way they combined the two was terrible.

  12. I'm fat. Idc. I loved fat Thor and Red Gaurdian looks hilarious. Get over it, stop being sensitive, learn to have a sense of humor. Can't wait for the Black Widow movie.

  13. so stupid… with bthe fat thor theyre basically saying that he is still worthy and that his fat-ness doesnt affect him and his values soooooo idk man i thought it was a rather positive message.. maybe its just me

  14. Your obviously nothing but a marvel promoter instead of fan so I hope you enjoy your marvel kick back. Minus one to your fan base!

  15. The internet is so sensitive. All the fat people should buy a peloton and stop complaining😂

    Sorry internet. I just had to.

  16. I've always wondered why underwear models are never fat. Maybe this new era of good superhero movies will embrace the idea that an overweight person can wear underwear too instead of people with a 6 pack

  17. I'm 5'8", and currently 235 pounds. So I might not fit into his uniform, either. Sorry, but I think it's hilarious, and it increases the chances I'll watch this movie in the theater.

  18. As a fat person I found the fat thor to be a prefect depiction of how warrior aka service members get fat when they leave the service.

    I have no issue with either of these event and see it ask what would really happen

  19. I agree. A lot of people are fast to see and find something that isint actually there. We understand hes a little past his prime and a little overweight. But obviously not that much if the suit fits and he kicks ass. So stop making something out of nothing. And fat thor was definitely depressed from feeling like a failure. Why does this progressive culture love taking so many steps back??

  20. This just feeds into those overly sensitive people, you think that hundreds of hours writing a freaking script to placed a piece to make fun of overweight people.

  21. Do people realize that you get fat when you get older if you don’t take extra precautions?

    Lower testosterone and lower metabolism do that.

    Thank you next a**holes and stop being paranoid and “sensitive”

  22. Oh so now "fatphobia" is a thing? So what happens if Marvel brings the Blob to the big screen again? What about Volstagg in the Thor movies? Bouncing Boy from the LSH? Where was all this noise when Mr. Icredible got fat after he retired??? People need to get over themselves. All these folks pointing out these "offenses" are getting annoying!

  23. "The Internet"? You actually said Twitterverse. Hahahaha, I'm fat but not offended. Insensitive? More like too sensitive.

  24. LOL No. People are actually pumped for a movie about a dead character. That should tell you they are happy on one level or another.

  25. the internet is going crazy over the depiction of someone fat, and not about the fact the woman leading movie came after the end of an era, instead of putting it before endgame?

  26. People will use anything as a reason to be offended these days. Its pretentious and annoying how even the smallest things are offensive to some people.

  27. missionary rape kidz and nuns jesus is fake god its time you wake up rise above hate accept the truth only allah can save you end time is coming

  28. The real question is; why is the complaints of useless nobody's being 'reported'? The controversial thing to do would be ignore these participation trophy recipients like we used to

  29. So being obese is GOOD? No no no no NO it's actually a bad thing the trick is to get back on your own two feet and exercise, being overweight isn't "healthy".

  30. Huh , who's slamming marvel. The loud minority…..most people think it's awesome. Just let them have their dumb ass opinions. Here's a suggested canned response………. " so what ". Also another canned response is " then dont watch it " also " GO POUND SAND " WORKS.

  31. Fat jokes are funny, deal with it princess. If you find this offensive then you are more likely insecure fat pig than a princess. (im fat btw)

  32. "You got fat" is an okay dialogue. If You are sensitive about it. Then it isn't the trailer's fault. It's yours. You got fat. Visit the gym or jog a kilometer around your village. Do something about it and do not blame a good movie for your tardiness.

  33. This is ridiculous. People are soooo soft nowadays it's a wonder they even survive life! Yeah, he's fat but, a fat guy or woman can't be bad ass and kick ass on the big screen or in life!? For all you sensitive meat sacks out there with no back bone….. STOP IT and use that SJW energy towards real issues in the world. Smh

  34. Nit wits don't understand that being fat is not a goal it is unhealthy i.e. diabetes, high blood pressure, joint disorders and mobility issues. Criticizing it since the dawn of civilization was and is a defense mechanism for society having and un-healthy populous is detrimental for the continuance of said society. In Sparta if you were fat they would parade you out in public naked and mock you until you got with the program. Besides if you're not concerned with your BMI you should be able to take a joke. Un-bunch and workout and get healthy.

  35. 4:20 nah, awesomeness just dont fade away easily you know. Ever see a vid about old boxing champ beating the shit out of younger-taller-looking-more-fit amateur boxer?
    Or that vid about retired marine beating young thug to pulp.
    So, a once-prime-hero going fat or old but still kick arse (with lots of effort) because he had to live up to his past glory would be a one badass scene.

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