100 thoughts on “Are There Internet Dialects? | Idea Channel | PBS Digital Studios

  1. What the hell is up with your pronunciation of gif?! I don't care if you use a hard or soft g, but that long "i" is too much.

  2. The jife thing must just be to drive comments, right? I gotta say, it actually makes it a lot harder for me to watch these videos.

  3. You definitely have a Youtube accent, with all those quick, short, choppy sentences with an over emphasis on keywords. It doesn’t seem to matter what country, region, state, or province the Youtuber is from, they all kind of talk the same way.

  4. I always find myself enjoying the idea of your videos, but inevitably zone out half way through on all of them. Doesn't happen with other channels. I think you over explain.

  5. I just wanted to say that ever since I started watching your videos, I have been getting better and better at writing essays. You always have a strong opening by stating a thesis early, and from there you use examples and reason each of them out. Thank you lol

  6. My brain hurts every time you say JIFE or MEHMEH. I dont mean to say that I think you are wrong, just that my "Personal" Internet accent pronounces them as gif (with a hard G.), and mēme with a silent E. Disregard what the creator of the Gif says, he is a fool who thinks an I should be intonated according to some other language than English.
    Same thing goes for "meme" In my head these words are pronounced differently than you vocalize them. Aside from this, "Idea Channel" is the channel I most feel the desire to comment upon, and engage with among all of the 81 subscriptions I have. Liked for thought provoking content.

  7. I would heavily contest that language doesn't indicate shared values. For example, I would say that liberal use of vulgarity; and intentionally making vulgar words into catch-all, multipurpose adjectives, verbs, and nouns, such as the oh-so-versatile F-word, and and its subsequent wide use and adoption, indicate certain values that modern and, especially, internet culture have come to hold tightly to; that is, to say, a general disregard for pleasantries, respect, and taking life/things. Of course, not all who use the internet are this way, but it is a very common-place attitude, and one I'm just using as an example. Take, for instance, Japanese language, where we have all manner of levels of politeness, and tons of ways of saying things indirectly; those indicate cultural values. How about Kansai-ben, or, in American English, heavy Southern redneck dialects/accents (as they qualify for both)? Those, too, indicate a similar common-man, down-to-earth attitude that reflects their culture and values. How we express ourselves, and the norms in doing so that we adopt as a whole, indicate certain values that are prevalent in our culture.

  8. What about people on the internet that write a sentence and pause between their words like this…………………. before typing again.
    My mum seems to type like that a lot and I noticed a lot of her friends on Facebook do that too but I'm not sure if it's a part of what you are talking about or it's just my mum and her friends.

  9. Twitter: Mostly normal perfect English, until people start getting close to the character cap, then they look back and cut out the punctuation to clear up more space.
    )(omestuck fandom: T)(is depends on t)(eir typing quirk.

  10. I really think that it's less like a dialect is being formed and more like a wide variety of rather specific inside jokes is being kept by a community. I understand the concept, but the permanence of each Internet "dialect" is debatable. Like, people who didn't watch YouTube videos pre-2007 probably wouldn't have any idea what "rate my vids" means. Another good example is, after Facebook was invented MySpace became essentially useless. This means that anyone who never got to have a MySpace will have no idea what "T8M" means.

  11. Such an interesting topic! I've found it very hard personally to adopt "tumblr speak" aside from a few ticks that work with my personal style of communicating… (and still stumble every time I hear yife, lol)

    Has there been a follow up video on this, that is more recent than August 2014?

  12. Ermahgurd, thank you so much for using the linguistic notation for the pronunciation of GIF. I'm a linguist, and I cannot read the accent-dependent "phonetic" spellings.

  13. There's another word for cobblers? In Britain they are just called cobblers. I was actually in the pub with a cobbler the other week.

    How english is that…

  14. The Facebook dialect is where people try to have proper grammar but fail horribly (frequent mixups of your/you're, there/their/they're, general misspellings, etc.)
    Don't know much about Instagram since I essentially only follow artists, but it seems to generally be heavy in emoji use, with better spelling and punctuation/capitalization than Facebook.

  15. all I heard was…

    Whatever the Navajo told you… it's just one possible solution derived by Cipher. My will is different. I've known you since your time at Langley. I've long been the other side of your coin. 1964, Soviet territory. FOX's first mission. Any mess you made, I was there to clean up. You completed your task – and admirably. The "information" you returned was far more than enough to fill our pockets. With it, our futures became – more or less – set in stone. And then the major came to me with an idea. "Washington doesn't know how to spend money," he said. "I'd like to… redirect it". His goal was an organization dedicated solely – covertly – to supporting America. Cipher. You know the rest. To him, it was mourning – the loss of his friend. Or rather, an act of revenge. On the world, but America most of all. 

    America is a country of liberty. A meeting of immigrants. Instead of simply assimilating, its citizens live along side others. Their roots are varied. Diverse. America's never been made up of just one people. But he tried to forge a single consciousness. For it, and from it. The idea that every citizen would use free will to unite behind their country… Unilateralism like that can't be entrusted to any one individual. So the major sought a system which used information, words, to control the "subconscious". 

    To unite America and the entire world. The major thought this was his friend's will. But I think he never understood what she wanted. Before he ever walked, or cried – even before he was born – his mother tongue was English. He doesn't know the pain of losing his own language. Not yet. He cannot understand her will. I do. I was born in a small village. I was still a child when we were raided by soldiers. Foreign soldiers. Torn from my elders, I was made to speak their language. With each new post, my masters changed, along with the words they made me speak. Words are… peculiar. With each change, I changed too. My thoughts, personality, how I saw right and wrong… War changed me – and not only my visage. Words can kill. I was invaded by words, burrowing and breeding inside me. A philosopher once said, "It is no nation we inhabit, but a language." "Make no mistake, our native tongue is our true fatherland." My fatherland – my truth was stolen from me. And so was my past. All that's left is the future. And mine is revenge. On those who'd leech off the words of their fellow man. This is what I learned from the major. And then it hit me. It was he who should feel my wrath. He and the code he chose as basis for control. Language codes, information codes – beamed all around us – genetic codes spanning history. By controlling the codes, Cipher… Zero intends to unify the world. Codes implanted into our heads, sucking our minds dry as it spreads from one host to the next. A parasite upon the earth. That is what Zero is. As one born into this world, he's afflicted. I hold him responsible for killing my freedom. Killing all traces of my past… Killing any promise of a future… We are all but dead men forced to walk upon this earth. A world reduced to Zero. Cipher plans to use its codes to control the world. They think they can. 

    And the "mother tongue" of all those codes is English. 

    The word became flesh. The final parasite. 

    It knows English. An English strain of the vocal cord parasite. 

    I will exterminate the English language. With this, I'll rid the world of infestation. All men will breathe free again – reclaim their past, present, and future. This is no ethnic cleanser. It is a "liberator," to free the world from Zero. Let the world be. Sans lingua franca, the world will be torn asunder. And then, it shall be free. People will suffer, of course – a phantom pain. The world will need a new common tongue. A language of nukes. My Metal Gears shall be the thread by which all countries are bound together, in equality. No words will be needed. Every man will be forced to recognize his neighbor. People will swallow their pain. They will link lost hands. And the world will become one.

    This war is peace.

  16. I have begun to believe that his mispronunciation of the standard acronymic abbreviation for Graphics Interchange Format is not merely performed out of ignorance, but is rather quite intentional.

  17. I'd say I have several internet dialects. The most pronounced I'm aware of is that when I play WoW I speak a vanilla WoW dialect (rather than a newer one), but I don't speak that dialect elsewhere. Elsewhere I have other internet-region specific dialects.

  18. You know somebody's from Instagram when they have 😩😩👌👌👌😂🙏😍😍 in their sentences
    You know somebody's from tumblr
    when they kind just
    u kno
    do the thing
    like this
    The internet certainly has its own dialects and accents and you can clearly tell the dominant social media choice of a person by the way they type.

  19. My tl;dw comment is that my internet dialect is mainly mlp. Also the internet does have dialects. Good example is Gamer speak

  20. I have a tumblr accent and I know it. It's kind of embarrassing to admit but it can actually help me express what I'm trying to say better. shrug

  21. I'm amused that you attempt to breach this topic in less than 8 minutes. People have attempted entire Sociolinguistic dissertations on dialects of Tumblr only, or one sub-reddit between two specific dates. This is way too big of a topic for one video.

    Props for using the term "speech community." I'd have appreciated breaking apart the word "dialect," though, because MAN is that word over-used and under-understood. And it has a lot of baggage.

    I'd just say there are "speech varieties" that differ by fandom within each platform as my quickest summary of what you are getting at (redditters about dolphin communication communicate one way, and Tumblrs about Harry Potter and Sherlock tend to write in Tumblr in a similar diction to each other). Many internet speech varieties appear to influence each other, and they all change day by day, but the cohesion often seems very specified. Kinda like you were getting at in re: /b/ and 4chan, etc.

  22. This kind of thing was very obvious on Usenet back in the mid 90s. However there wasn't much in the way of a shared world view.

  23. gamers who play RTS and fighting speak in a manner and us so much abbreviations that the uninitiated wouldn't be able to follow. Less so than people who play FPS in part because those games are more often played with voice chats.

  24. I think Google+ is where people talk like they do in real life. They have really long posts with full paragraphs, all correct capitals and punctuation. Since there is no word limit they can always be correct, and people in the community hate it when people don't write correctly.

  25. You can't be from Mass, you use wayyy to many R's. However, you do talk fast so I'm inclined to believe you.


  27. It's really sad that you really want to fit in.

    Also, why don't we just pronounce it like it's written, it's the easiest way to say it

  28. Here's my idea, there are two internet dialects. Specifically, unicode and the standard language the user is speaking because every set of characters in unicode has a meaning.

  29. Is calling someone off for pointing out a flaw in slime a dialect? Cause the slime side of youtube ALWAYS does that. Say something slightly contrary to the youtuber, and EVRRYONR tells you to shut up.

  30. In YOUR case, the accent is provided by the technology you use to edit out the silences between your words. It gives you a very definite manner of presentation – in actual fact, I have to slow down the video to understand you, since you talk so flipping fast.

  31. 3:16 What are "Gee-eye-ufs?" do you mean gifs which is correctly pronounced Jiff-s …ugly sub-dialect you have…

  32. Fandom
    UFO Believers

    I believe there are “Communities of Speech/Practice” that I participate in. At first it was hard to figure out what subcultures I am part of, but looking through things I’m interested in and things I talk about that other people may not comprehend outside of my friends and community it becomes clearer. Three of these communities are Fandoms, Design, and Otaku.

    In the video, a dialect is determined by word choices and how one strings together words. In the video, a community of practice is made up of five separate parts: linguistics, social identity, community membership, community practice and forms of participation. I agree that these five pieces are present in the “subcultures” or “communities of practice I am part of.” For example, in Fandoms, there is a lingo used when discussing characters relating to the fandom. “Cinnamon roll” is a term used to call a character sweet or kind. If you were to call someone outside fandoms “Cinnamon roll” they would think you are calling them a food. There is a Community Membership present in fandoms, there are entire websites and blogs dedicated to different types of fandoms for different books, shows, and movies. One participates in a fandom by talking about characters, writing, or reading fanfiction and things of this nature. The community practice is the act of watching a certain show repeatedly or reading a series of books. The social identity aspect is when I would designate myself a “book nerd” I am stating I am part of a community in which we read and discuss books. Calling myself a book nerd is associating myself with my fandom. All five elements are present in fandoms.

    Design is a community of Speech/Practice I am part of. I am a graphic design student, and through that, I am part of a bigger network of designers. We are a community, and there are linguistic patterns to how designers speak. Works such as kerning, leading, negative and positive space are common to our ears. To someone not in a design field or around designers may have never even heard these words nor know what they mean right off the bat. There is a clear social identity, I say I am a designer. I am proud to call myself this because I am happy to be associated with a community of other brilliant creatives. One participates in design, by designing. Community practice is when a group of designers come together and discuss work, critique or even just discuss art world related topics. Designers are part of there own world in the way they speak and create work. There is a definite culture to being part of design.

    Otaku is a subculture I am loosely apart of. I say loosely because I do not participate in all 5 aspects that make Otaku a community of Speech/Practice, but the subculture does have all five elements. A linguistic form is present if you walk up to a person who does not watch anime and asked them if they watch “sub” or “dub” they may have no idea what you are talking about. If you asked them who they “ship” they may think you are discussing a seafaring vessel not a relationship between characters. Otaku has a clear form of participation such as: watching anime and talking about it, cosplaying, buying and eating specifically Japanese food and snacks. Just to name a few things. The community practice and form of participation blend into one thing with Otaku culture. Otaku reflects on my social identity when I call myself an anime nerd because I watch anime and am part of another subculture of Fandoms. I try to hide the fact I watch anime because of people outside of Otaku culture having negative connotations about what anime is and what Japanese culture is and reflects. People judge you for being interested in a different’ culture through their food, customs, and entertainment more than the culture your local ‘American’ culture. If you were to tell someone whose very patriotic that you would rather live in a society more like Japanese culture they would probably tell you to just move. When really your comment is referring to customs you admire and would love to have here in America.

    These are three of the Communities of Speech/Practice I am part of, and after breaking it down like this I think it is pretty cool stuff like this exists. It is nice to be around people who have similar interests as you and to talk about things you love free of judgment.

  33. Youtube comments are full of amusements sometimes….

  34. I wonder what are those records´ on the background, I could recognize Bowie and some Loud Reed kinda thing but I can´t figure out….would mind giving their titled names? Lordy, lordy, lordy….I got to improve my English… I could barely understand you…

  35. really interesting topic! i definitely agree there are accents/dialects in the internet. and reflecting on it, mine is actually from the two places i was "raised" online – Habbo and Facebook. in the first, i learned how to type really fast in the same pace as real life coloquially using lots of abreviation and in the second i learned to structure big texts with arguments in a short period of time (i was heavily engaged in debates/politics), and even tho i dont use them anymore i bring this "background" to my daily life in my other social media nowadays

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