Domain and Web Services
Man @techaltar predicted about this
I have high hopes for PWAs, but still have concerns.
Do you think their will be concern with the open nature of PWA's? I'm excited about them, but often time content in a store has also been checked and approved, and I should trust it more than the wild west web (www). Will this not decrease how much I can trust apps in the store? It's a pain sometimes how tight app stores can be, but their tight for a reason…to ensure trust from their users.
Also, I like that apps follow the design standards of the OS, but the web is a lot less structured which damages consistency and user experience.
Again I still have high hopes. There is a demonstration of a Google developer making a light chat PWA app that opens faster than native stock apps on Android.
Now that PWA's will narrow the app gap, what else does MS need to do in order to win users?
Can't wait to get a YouTube PWA app for windows, Jesus Christ these third party apps suck
So I believe eBay for Android is a PWA since it never shows up in my app list once I close it out and doesn't show up on my second screen(LG V20) as an app. It's super fast and doesn't appear to be anything more than a regular app. If Windows 10 adopted this on a wide scale and it worked as well as this I could definitely move back to Windows 10 on phones. Or maybe it's an instant app… Now I'm unsure about life. ???
I Love the Idea No Background leaching of resources pc/mobile performance boost
#PinInterest You heard it here first.
Great explanation. PWAs are great for ALL PLATFORMS. Discoverabilty is the key. Helps all of us get the "apps" we want on all our platforms.
PWA will remove the app gap, and open up opportunities for new platforms. And hopefully deprecate Java.
So lets say snapchat who doesnt have a web app to begin with, do you think they would end up making a website instead with pwa, and remove their app from the app stores to avoid the app costs ???
Every OS will need app stores only for games and extension support stuffs.. So it is a mandatory thing.. Btw this video is soo satisfying for a windows mobile user.. Thankyou Dan?
PWA on windows mobile?
I have a doubt. What about the size. Will this reduce the app size
Great vid dan, exciting
Why is iOS supporting PWA? What's in it for Apple?
This is insane
Q: will windows phone support edge with pwa?A: yes looks like it is supporting right now bcs i am using W10M and every pwa site is working awesome..such as..1.uber.2.twitter.3.instagram.And every other pwa site…
Great overview and wonderfully explained! Thanks.
Great video Dan!
My biggest hope for PWA, is for Microsoft to finally remove all the stupid bloatwares that come pre-installed in a fresh Windows 10 OS install.
I hate pwa. We moved from web to apps we dont wana go back for a failed company. Service workers is going to be the new hub for viruses just like legacy code.
Funnily enough I think this will hurt Android and IOS development. I expect native development to decline.
I think Microsoft will benefit the most, since they will have Centennial (Win32), UWP and PWA.
when will his Tan go?
I build websites for a living; every single site I've built in the last year or so has supported PWA. It's the future of apps, really excited to see the technology continue to grow!
Well the twitter PWA just lost me. It plain sux. I'll give it another shot later, but I kinda wanna learn more about it on desktop.
Is Windows Centra planning to have a PWA enabled site? If yes, when can we see that? If no, why? Thanks.
Actually…although they aren't PWAs, a lot of sites are already using some form of Web Apps that work pretty good right now. I'm waiting for my new phone to arrive and I've been using my Lumia 1520 and BB Passport in the meantime. I just went thru the homescreens on my tablet and pinned the websites for the apps that I couldn't get. Most of them even create an icon and you would never know that they're not apps from a store. I did cheat and put the Google Play Store on the Passport because I couldn't get LastPass any other way. I'm pretty satisfied with the way everything is working. Too bad MS & BB didn't do this sooner. It could have saved both of these operating systems. We've lost the two most secure OS forever now.
Will PWAs Support Set or Will It Even Use The "Open In new Tab" Feature Because Its Actually Runing In A Browser Avtually…
I already have started using websites instead of apps for example uber or twitter as they perform excellent.Bright future ahead for PWA's.
"developers always target iOS first"
Maybe in the US. In Europe things are much more balanced, with Android sometimes getting new apps and features first.
As for PWAs, I think they're definitely the future and I can see them replacing pretty much everything in the App Stores, with the exception of games and AR apps (at least for now).
Daniel, this is incredible news. Thank you for sharing and what a great post. I've already tried out all of the apps you mentioned in this video – so cool.I did notice Edge on Android, that when I have a web app open and, on my phone, I hit the button which shows all apps or websites open at that moment, that those sites which are PWA it will say above the Edge browser, "Web App" and those sites which do not have PWA capability it will say the name of the app or website.
Some questions about PWAs:Can PWAs be used on the X-box since there is an Edge app or will they show up in the store and be able to be downloaded from there? Can PWAs be used on IOT or Halo Lens?
Will PWAs take up any space on a phone or mobile device since they are web-based? Often I have to delete apps to make room for other apps, will PWAs solve that issue?
Will Microsoft still have a challenge of not having apps in the store which are not web-based, like a lot of games, say Angry Birds or similar apps? Won't there still be an "app gap" there?
Is there any site where consumers can request that Microsoft add a website to the app store which can potentially be a PWA?
My concern with PWA has always been and still is that you don't get any of the Store security and purchase support for it.
will local companies make PWA apps for Microsoft or Google? like they chose android over Windows
Edge on Windows 10 Mobile supports a subset of PWA functionality. For example, Google Maps works OK – it gets your location from the GPS and allows you to search and drag the map around and get directions with your location as a moving blip running on the map. Only thing missing is turn-by-turn.
If MSFT supported this on mobile, I would return to my Lumia 930 in a heartbeat !
What do need to know to build a PWA. What languages to master ?
I can see this being life support for Blackberry OS, Windows Phone, Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Phone, older devices, etc. As long as the browsers on these devices can support recent standards, you can realistically benefit from all of these PWA's. Even without the ability to pin the sites to your home screen, saving them as bookmarks should still allow this functionality I believe. And with the cost of maintaining apps, I wouldn't doubt a lot of developers are going to make the more cost effective jump. I also see this being beneficial to phones without much memory as you're not installing apps eating up memory. This just seems a win/win for everyone.
I did hear that pwa was going to replace the chrome apps format this year . Only chome extensions no apps just pwa except for Chromebook they will still got the option . Don't know how that went
How will PWA work on Windows 10s
The colors and lighting doesn't look good in the video. You might want to make your lighting better. Just a suggestion
What made Windows Phone beautiful was its design language consistency with its bold and large typography. This PWAs are going to finally kill design languages in phone OSs.
Question, will you be able to launch apple pay and google pay through PWA's?
Sad that it's too late for Windows phone. This could have single-handedly saved the platform ?
Did PWA support for windows phone in future
It's good that there is no separate app development required for different OS's but how this affect ram and performance of the device. Is this will improve the performance of the device or it will just work like a web browser with improved UI.
Which language is used for Progressive web app???
just for Windows 10, or 8.1 too?
Literally been doing PWA’s for iOS and Android for about six years. Appcache manifest powered. Dismal experience from the iOS side – don’t trust em to not leave you in the water whenever the next version of iOS comes out.
omg, App developer need to change job as a web developer.
This is amazing but if the Windows Phones doesn't support it that will be such dum thing but actually good step in the right direction
Funny how much this goes back to how you would pin webpages to home screen on the original iPhone…
then is the Amazon icon in the default App drawer in Ubuntu a PWA too?
did you have any official site on PWA? as in.. when can i see 2.0 change log? xD
what about youtube
the review is highly professional with deep analysis we dont see much of this quality on web! keep up the high bar
I know I'm on a Windows Central video, but I really hope that Apple/iOS start to accept PWAs in the near future. Right now you have to include a bunch of "hacks" for things to operate like a true PWA, but iOS still doesn't support push notifications, service workers support are garbage, and you can't perform background tasks…
The elephant in the room with regards to PWAs is browser performance. This brave new world homescreen-browser-apps reminds me alot of Hybrid apps, which were largely thrown out due to sub par performance. The browser DOM is slower than native UI. It seems disingenuous that this is being totally ignored in the PWA hype train.
PWA+AI+CHATBOTS+VA= APP KILLERS ?
DOM parse/load will always suck.
THAT MIC. I WANT IT. WHERE TO BUY?
Is this a big deal yet? is it using Responsive CSS under the hood?
One important question: Developers were able to write an application and upload it FOR FREE* in the store, now the developer has to pay a domain and a host for it's website (pwa). Would it not be nice if google, apple and microsoft would host these pwa for free ?
Article on this topic: https://webmaster18.ru/razrabotka-sajtov/sovremennye-sajty-pwa/
Something is wrong with sound quality.
This all sound so good
There is a most advanced PWA system thats was there even before the term itself appeared, BEFORE 2015! The Mobsted platform runs millions of accounts already, but for larger corps and is only now making rounds with general public – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9pkgu-46Qo&t=3s
great point about PWAs being tied to the google search ecosystem. That is after all their monopoly. I would like to see native apps flourish however just to threaten that monopoly.
Mobile POS using PWAhttps://www.sangkhim.com
Beezer.com is a platform allowing you to create your very own PWA in minutes.
As a kid I had an "Internet" book from the How and Why series in the 90s which pretty much predicted the concept of Web-Apps with then mostly Java in mind. Interesting how they didn't really get a foothold 20 years from then after so many tries.
Pin interest ?
Thank you for this clear and forward-thinking overview. Very helpful for us as we begin to transition from a maker of native apps to a maker of both native and PWAs.
I've been having difficulties with the starbucks app on android. The PWA mentioned works great though. So thanks for that.
fantastic presentation. Q: if you had to guess, how much would the instagram PWA cost to create, maintain, and what is the avg. cost to creating a PWA. – Cheers
progress web apps are futur.. here is interesting read https://cwatch.comodo.com/blog/website-security/are-progressive-web-apps-the-future/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=topsecurity
What is the microphone you use, sitting on your desk? Is it the Samson Meteor?
your intro looks better at 1.5x the speed 😀 – great video. thanks for the info.
Windows phone is not dead. If you don't care about making standard phone calls, and are OK with internet based calls, then buy a small (7") windows tab and plug a data dongle if the tab is not LTE
I hope this takes off. it may mean more diversity in the market.
RIP apps. This is the future of all software – cloud based and accessed via a browser
Great explanation on PWA's. How would an average user distinguish the PWA from the app on the homescreen? Would it simply be which one was added first would be the native app and the one added second would be the PWA?
wow…. Good (y)
What about flutter ?
Hi Daniel, how about flutter?
i have build a PWA for a website balijasevasanghaballari.org, the problem is I have embedded the youtube video when I start to play a video after 30 seconds the screen turns out as there was no video playing, in Mozilla it is working fine
I have some dumb questions. 1. what advantage it gives to the end users other than giving quick access to website just like launching an app? we could just book mark the web page in the browser and open it.2. Will there be a speed/performance difference compared to native apps.?3. is it similar to ice concept in peppermint?
Great video! Insightful. I think one of the main benfits of PWA that is making companies like twitter and Instagram adoapt it, is the usage of data and how efficient it runs on slow internet networks.
Very exciting stuff! What are your thoughts on making a PWA that uses a top level domain of .app? Do you think big companies like Starbucks would be interested in buying the Domain Starbucks.app to make it easy for the consumer to download their app if it's a PWA?
Hi, anybody can help me . how to create a mobile web app on browsers like the mobile application. What's the technologies they are using .
They are great!!
Think this video needs updation, considering tools like PWA2APK allows pwa to be uploaded on Google Playstore with ease.
OneDrive App 184.108.40.206 will be PWA on Windows 10.And thank you for this very informative video…
Ya, but when you hit storage cleaner, it goes off
Holy shit, This can bring back windows phone back from the dead.
was this a joke… a thing called "bing crawler"? I love when non-technical people try to explain things…
great explanation Thanks
And that's why I like android? even tho I have an iPhone ?
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